Zen 3 Focuses on Efficiency & AMD Explains 7nm Performance | Intel To Discuss Discrete GPU Soon


Anlushac11
Anlushac11

Not happy with Microsoft buying up game companies. I wouldnt care if Microsoft developed games for XBOX and PC but Microsoft seems to only want to push XBOX only. I would love to play Halo on my PC, I dont want to have to use a game pad to play my games.

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Nuno Herdeiro
Nuno Herdeiro

Why TF did i get a notification for this video again?

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Jeffrey Photonboy
Jeffrey Photonboy

"all of those things together do help to keep Moore's Law alive..." NO! NO! NO! NO! Moore's Law is about the DENSITY of transistors not the performance of the CPU.

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Johnfuse
Johnfuse

There is no Zen 3? You confuse Ryzen with Zen. Ryzen 2000 series was based on Zen+ architecture and not Zen 2. What we get with the Ryzen 3000 series is Zen 2 architecture. There is no Zen 3...The brand Ryzen has nothing to do with the microarchitecture name Zen. The Ryzen 4000 series for example is going to be Zen 2+ and not Zen 4.

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Joseph Zimmerman
Joseph Zimmerman

Hey! You're mostly in focus! Finally!

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jxn141
jxn141

Any news if zen 2 be released in the first half of the year or 2nd? I am in the market for a new system.

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Enzo TM
Enzo TM

Honestly, the last three videos I saw from you are having the same story told but in random order. You are milking the Ryzen cow a bit too much and extra info's are scarce to none. We want news not the same soup re-heated!

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Bruno Cardoso
Bruno Cardoso

microsoft looking at how they have behaived in the last few years are not to be trusted, because that blank check will come with quite a number of small prints, like windows store only, windows 10 only etc etc

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freak777power
freak777power

Basically it will still be slower than 9900k. And Intel is going to throw in 10 Core for fun knowing that AMD cannot release 10 Core but 12 and 16 Core which is not going to fit into AM4 Socket because AMD design is shit. 12 or 16 Core will suck in gaming due the 2x6 or 2x8 architecture.

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Asaad Malshy
Asaad Malshy

how on earth does this channel have only 56k subs?? jeez good work

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firefox5926
firefox5926

14:05 bring back aces bring back fasa bring back Microsoft flight simulator and Microsoft train simulator and bring back mechwarrior ... and also buy ea and fire everyone at their corporate hq preferable out of a cannon... from the ninth floor...

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TheRealSamPreece
TheRealSamPreece

opensource script is a game for the people

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Lue
Lue

I would prefer if the gaming industry focused on developing for PC and then tweking and porting to console, the other way around always gives some really bad ports.

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DrLove 2k2
DrLove 2k2

Hey Paul you umight want to take a look into the " GT SPORT Running at 8K & 120 FPS on Ps5 " article, that was shown at a exhibition in Tokyo.

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SamuHell782
SamuHell782

So Microsoft wants to be the Netflix of games where any idiot has a stand-up special...

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Krzysztof Malec
Krzysztof Malec

It seems that Intel put all engineers into creating new architecture similar to ZEN, whit modules, and only small team is involved in producing new models of procesors for the next 3 years. Otherwise, if Intel will continue with building bigger and bigger processors, they are out of the market . Uncompetetive!

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needabettername
needabettername

They kinda got caught with pants down, were so comfortable until 2 years ago with 4c/8t and 4 refreshes, then whammo 8c mainstream, while They were probably looking for another 4c refresh

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TheJohdu
TheJohdu

if it's also on pc it's not exclusive. i can't believe Microsoft isn't understanding that.

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_Larkin_
_Larkin_

Looks like Microsoft is actually learning from the success of studios like CDPR or CIG who would rather do it right than on schedule at all cost. Good times for gamers it seems, and hopefully a harsh lesson for the likes of EA.

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MonstaAU
MonstaAU

Focus please Paul. It's been getting worse lately.

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Ben Filley
Ben Filley

I'm waiting on 7nm threadripper. With the fixed avx workload and the improvements we are sure to see, I can finally put some decent money down on a decent streaming system.

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justin vistin
justin vistin

Zen 3 will probably being using ddr5. That might help performance some.

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needabettername
needabettername

Especially if it scales and improvements to infinity fabric

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Zarcondeegrissom
Zarcondeegrissom

interesting note on the last bit about Xbox only games with Microsoft buying up game studios. Way back in early 2k's I really liked Halo, I played the game a lot. in 2004 I heard that a new Halo2 was out, and I was really excited to give it a try on PC after seeing the trailers. After three years of friends being able to play the game on console and I had yet to be able to play the game on PC, my excitement turned into anger and disgust. I have not played any Halo game since, not even the original, I don't care to. Another game more recently that went through similar for me was Horizon zero dawn, at this point, I don't care if the game is available for PC, my interest has vanished for the game. Great vid Paul and crew. B)

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AmpEdition
AmpEdition

Intel gpu will be on par with Amd for more money, Intel you are way to late for the game and wasted lots of money on R&D in the process lol

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DR.NEGA
DR.NEGA

TRUMP IS PLANNING TARGETING CHINA ALLIES ...THAT'S INCLUDE NVIDIA ,AMD ,APPLE then QUALCOMM ...HE GONNA DESTROY CHIP COMPANIES OFFSHORE...THAT HURTING AMERICAN JOBS ...INTEL IS ALL WORRY FOR AMD 2019 ...WE MIGHT SEE AMD LOOSING MONEY AND JOBS

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Connor Smith
Connor Smith

You need help.

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You Name It Gaming
You Name It Gaming

"modest device performance" one starts to wonder what they mean by "device" because let's be honest, as it is, ryzen is pretty damn efficient! so my guess is that they're either planning to hit laptops/notebooks in a really big way, or maybe they're looking to potentially bring ryzen 3 to phones and tablets. I must say, I find the idea of a 7nm ryzen 3 quadcore notebook with NVME and a semi decent IGPU very appealing, definitely worthy of the upgrade from my Pentium n3700 powered notebook I currently daily. don't get me wrong, I absolutely love this little SSD assisted turd for web browsing and light work :D but it would be nice to be able to do a bit of light gaming, or photo editing here and there. until then, the elephant in the room via remote desktop will have to do

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rager1969
rager1969

A Ryzen laptop - what does that look like? I've heard talks about them coming but haven't seen them, though I'm no longer in the market for a laptop so not paying as close attention now.

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Bogdan Parubok
Bogdan Parubok

Havent see ryzen 7 laptops but there are few with 3 and 5 ryzen. Asus and lenovo has some models. Want to get ryzen 5 laptop but damn the prices for a laptop are inflated... Like every laptop is trash if you look at the price.

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Chris
Chris

EUV labs that participated in research leading to this are Caltech, U of Colorado Boulder and Colorado State U. euv.colostate.edu is one place you can learn about it. I interned there for two summers as an undergrad in 2009 and 2010. The difficulty is that 13nm and smaller, light doesn't diffract anymore. It absorbs so new techniques are needed.

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Morgen's FishTanks
Morgen's FishTanks

KOTOR 3 exclusive would help a long way tbh and I think Disney and Microsoft could leverage that.

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MySSDRocks
MySSDRocks

Morgen's FishTanks A new KOTOR exclusive to Xbox would make the next console sell more than McDonald’s sold Big Mac’s last year... I personally would be happy to see it, I’ve been waiting for a new game so long.

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Beerus_sama
Beerus_sama

AMD : we are gonna bring worlds first 7nm processors on CES 2019 Intel : ohh! Then we are gonna bring rushed version of 14nm+++++++++++++ refresh with inbuilt room heater on CES 2019.

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Beerus_sama
Beerus_sama

+You Name It Gaming xD

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Beerus_sama
Beerus_sama

+needabettername lmao...ya made my day

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needabettername
needabettername

Missed a + for new 10c

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You Name It Gaming
You Name It Gaming

I hope intel bring the water chiller, I'd imagine tech journalism to be thirsty work

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Leslie Satenstein
Leslie Satenstein

Off topic, How much better would a 16core non-hyperthreading cpu be compared to an 8core with hyperthreading? I think that there is more power consumed, but also provides more performance.

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You Name It Gaming
You Name It Gaming

easy way to test this is a 4c8t ryzen vs 8c8t ryzen with locked clocks. Edit: I guess it could also be tested on TR4, which may better represent any real world difference, but you could also end up with infinity fabric skewing the results (8+8 would be the baseline, but I'd expect 8+0 and 4+4 to perform differently) but as I was saying with the real world performance representation, you're going to feel a much more noticeable difference between 4c8t and 8c8t than you would between 8c16t and 16c16t as one is much more likely to saturate a quad with any given workload.

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Allen Mathew
Allen Mathew

Someone please summarize this video on the comments section.

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Teh509
Teh509

We are going to be on 7nm for the next 5-7 years... so around 2025 we will be either looking at monolithic chips or multi card multi chiplet designs.

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CountCarbsNotCals
CountCarbsNotCals

Good vid thx

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Guardsmen Cadia
Guardsmen Cadia

Go AMD! I wanna see them do a nice launch , fair prices and if they do, after more than 15 years, I'll have an AMD build again! :D

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tonkatoytruck
tonkatoytruck

From what I have heard, there is a lot of pressure for better efficiency in the data center market. AMD could really benefit if standards are implemented. The sheer growth of the market is directly linked to population\technology growth.

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max bootstrap
max bootstrap

One factoid that is important to mention explicitly is the following. In the old days, when a new smaller node was developed (say 130nm to 65nm) the size of a transistor or gate changed from 130nm by 130nm to 65nm by 65nm. A 65nm by 65nm transistor or gate consumes only 1/4 as much area on the chip as a 130nm by 130nm transistor or gate, so *4 times as many 65nm transistors or gates fit on the same size die as 130nm.* Today, when they shrink from *what they call* 14nm to 7nm, only 1/2 as many transistors or gates fit on a 7nm die of a given size as the previous generation 14nm technology. In other words, they changed what node names mean. They used to mean something real... now the node names are literally "fake names". What TMSC calls 7nm is actually 10nm.

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jangelelcangry
jangelelcangry

Zen 3 Focuses on Efficiency HMMM... That sounds familiar. Of course, Intel said something similar 2 years ago. http://thestack.com/iot/2016/02/05/intel-william-holt-moores-law-slower-energy-efficient-chips/

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Christina Kirschner
Christina Kirschner

Microsoft was basically telling them to bring them their business plan for the game they most want to make. What do you want to go for : game as service, yearly iterations of a title, a next generation AAA, an episodic game... These all have different risk/reward structures. They also have very different cashflows over the lifetime of the investment. Some offer partnership with other top companies for things such as cloud services. Microsoft WAS talking money, but in a very Microsoft way.

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bobhumplick
bobhumplick

the 1.35 thing vs the 1.25 thing boils down to this. never beleive a foundries claims. its always best case. plus amd are using their own libraries to biuld cpus and they are a bit bigger than what tsmc use for other customers because high power draw chips like desktop cpus are different. but it looks like amd have zen 2 done and it should be a winner. not sure how they are gonna do their destkops chips but at the least im sure it will be an improvement. i dont expect much more from zen3 than some avx tweaks. maybe some extra cores but not many. i dont think 7nm+ will be that different. but it will be cheaper to produce if they can get EUV going. thatll be a huge thing though for amd but maybe not a big deal for performance. cant wait to see what intel are working on. ocean cove will be the first new arch (non lake cpu) in a while. it seeems like their is a limit around 5ghz for chips now. i would think they woul go wider which would bring down clocks a bit. they cant get more clocks so they will have to. but to be honest if they could just get 10nm out they could stick with skylake cores for a bit longer if they did get 10nm out. they could make the i9 into an i7 and for the same price and power draw as an i7. maybe make an i9 with 10-12 cores if they left off the gpu (they could make a 10 core with the igpu and it woudlnt be too huge on 10nm). but anyway it seems amd have their roadmap lined out. just wondering if intel have been working on anything. they had better be anyway. im sure they have but will it be enough

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Justin Justin
Justin Justin

Should I sell my ryzen 5 1600 for zen 3 ?

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★SkillZ★⑲
★SkillZ★⑲

*Well, ofc they cannot fit more chiplets onto "Zen 3" since it's the same manufacturing node size which results in same Die Sizes.* I don't think that it'll be called Zen 3 unless they bring something really new to the Table, my guess is that it'll end up Called Zen 2+ & Zen 3 will be 5nm with 7nm I/O Controller/s which would allow for a total of 18 Chiplets (2 Infinity Fabric 2 Dies & 16 CCX's) or 17 Chiplets (1 Infinity Fabric 3 Die & 16 CCX's).

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Alessandro Cassaniti
Alessandro Cassaniti

To me a cpu can have up to 150w tdp and a gpu up to 300w, but less tdp is a good marketing strategy.

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needabettername
needabettername

Also gives better OC headroom...

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Thetreetroll
Thetreetroll

This guy would make a great Bond villain.

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needabettername
needabettername

Only reason i watch, just waiting for him to say... Until next time Mr. Bond...

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cracklingice
cracklingice

We haven't seen huge clock speed increases in a long time. I mean sandy bridge is only ~500mhz behind coffee lake.

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beachboy boobybuilder
beachboy boobybuilder

Sorry man but I totally lost focus on your analysis. I got a youtube update on my phone of Piper Blush and her huge titties. Check out her youtube channel.

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Alecandrius Fedorowski
Alecandrius Fedorowski

I think Rome is going to conquer the server market. I wonder how realistic it would be to expect a 16 core chip for the mainstream market, chiplets with more L2 and an I/O die that has more L3, say 64MB or so.

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JeffGraw
JeffGraw

Seems like you're conflating Zen3 (architecture) with 7nm+ (process)

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beachboy boobybuilder
beachboy boobybuilder

Clearly AMD don't want to make the same bullshit claims that intel and nvidia made with performance gains, and then got caught with their pants down. In fact, Nvidia is still getting a ruthless sigmoidoscopy on account of turding and rt being an expensive flop. Interestingly, intel and nvidia are keeping a low profile, just like AMD had to during the whole bulldozer fiasco. Looks like the three teams are learning from each other's mistakes ;)

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beachboy boobybuilder
beachboy boobybuilder

+Mr_Beezlebub - yeah, I would like to see this intel gpu. Raja Koduri hired the guy who designed larrabee. Looks like Jim Keller has his work cut out for him at Intel. He will be there for several years. I was hoping he would do one last stint at AMD before retiring, but it doesn't look that way.

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Mr_Beezlebub
Mr_Beezlebub

Makes sense. I am looking forward to what all three companies will be bringing to market

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gertjan van der meij
gertjan van der meij

Who want an X-Box when there are PC's ?

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A A
A A

Who wants a PC when there’s real life, it’s fully ray traced without FPS slowdown and Super Ultimate HD.

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gertjan van der meij
gertjan van der meij

INTEL and GPU's .... What a joke ! They can't even produce decent integrated graphics ! LMAO !

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CMDR Nacho Man
CMDR Nacho Man

+Sinester Its Intel. They'll pump more into it.

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Sinester
Sinester

+CMDR Nacho Man you know this is not there first try to enter the discrete GPU market? they have pumped lots of money in it already but never made a good product

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TurboCMinusMinus
TurboCMinusMinus

More competition in the GPU sector can only help the market.

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MySSDRocks
MySSDRocks

I’m not really a fan of Intel, I own mostly AMD gear these days, but don’t underestimate their capabilities, have a read into it.

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CMDR Nacho Man
CMDR Nacho Man

They don't target the high performance market, they focus on perf/watt and cost. If they put in the RnD, I would not be surprised. P.S. I hope I'm not being woooshed.

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Transformational Gaming
Transformational Gaming

Dude if paul really believes that quote... he is really reaching for the cool-aide package.... Not to say that M$ won't give a company a blank check... But they will make sure that that game is something THEY want and something M$ is wanting to promote.. that is the missing link. M$ says we want this, Sony says we need your best work... That's the difference.

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Transformational Gaming
Transformational Gaming

+_Larkin_ Can't disagree more... but good point... M$ is just too in to the pay as you play game and it's just bad pr for them. Just let EA, Take2, and rockstar do the microtransactions, it looks really bad when M$ does it.

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_Larkin_
_Larkin_

The point is: all Microsoft wants, is a a game WE want. As ironic as that might sound. And in this, they are the first major publisher who starts to understand, mainly educated through the success of CDPR and their Witcher and (when it's done) to be Cyberpunk games or the crowdfunding campaign of Star Citizen. They realise that ROI only takes you that far and cannot be the only premise for game development.

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Peter Jansen
Peter Jansen

As long as those MS games are not Windows store exclusives...

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A A
A A

Peter Jansen so you must really hate Nintendo with a passion. I’m a PC gamer and also have consoles for casual gaming (PS3 and 360 because anyone could see this latest generation was short lived). Exclusives sells consoles, steam does well because it has a vast selection other don’t have access to, exclusives have existed since there have been computers, to remove the selling point removes the competition and limits consumer choice. Latest games are almost made exclusive to latest hardware, in your world we would just have one brand and model of PC and that’s it, it plays everything but that doesn’t fit everyone. Welcome to life, it’s full of choices.

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Peter Jansen
Peter Jansen

​+A A No, it is not ok for both! Don't involve me in that pathetic console war, I am against any tying of software to any specific operating system of model of computer. I want games to be enjoyed by as many gamers as possible. I want every gamer to have the ability to play Spiderman, HZD, Uncharted4, Red Dead Redemption, whatever Metal Gear the latest one is which is a Windows store exclusive... However, if you insist on comparing MS and Sony, MS puts most of its games also on Steam and it even put Cuphead on GOG. I guess gaming wise MS is a bit better than Sony in this way.

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A A
A A

So it’s okay when Sony does it for the PS4 but when Microsoft does it, oh no 😱.

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Daedalusspacegames
Daedalusspacegames

As a Linux gamer, you can probably understand that I'm not as thrilled about Microsoft buying up all the game studios. Microsoft owned games studios tend to make games for the Microsoft store, meaning I'd never get to play it even if I wanted too. If the game doesn't get a Linux version but is still on Steam, there's a better chance that a Linux gamer would be able to play it. Obviously, games that run natively on Linux are preferred, but in the absence of native Linux versions, it's nice to be able to run a game through Proton/WINE.

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Luredreier
Luredreier

++houtarou Yes, it *is* a big deal. Running unfamiliar code on your system makes the whole thing potentially unsecure. Your computer don't just have a single processor in it. If you have a SSD or a HD then there's a small processor inside it running firmware, you can actually replace that and run Linux *inside* a HD or SSD without the use of that main CPU of your computer system, and in that way hide the content of the drive and manipulate the data going out. Likewise your GPU is actually turing complete now so you *could* run a whole operating system inside that too. I don't remember if USB ports and networking cards got their own processors too, I think they do. Then there's the BIOS chip on your motherboard. That loads before the OS does, so if you can change the firmware there you can run there and have full controll of the system and your OS won't know about it at all. As you can see there's a whole *ton* of reasons why running code you don't trust isn't neccessarily a good idea. And lo and behold, windows is *entierly* a black box with code that you can't review at all. Even if Microsoft don't add malware to your system the fact that you can't know if you actually got genuine code or not from them means that if someone where to do a man in the middle attack on the data from say their update servers you could have your OS compromised and there wouldn't be anything you could do about it... And so one and so forth...

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lurk
lurk

Cloudgaming

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Mikael Nuutila
Mikael Nuutila

+houtarou is the consept of "voting with your wallet" familiar to you?

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houtarou
houtarou

Luredreier use when you want to play then come back to linux it’s not a big deal

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Luredreier
Luredreier

++houtarou Not a option... It's not about getting "sick" but things like privacy and security and just plain prefering something different to stare at when spending hours in front of a computer then windows... And in CPU limited workloads you're often getting better performance in Linux then Windows.

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LoveShaft
LoveShaft

4:40 lol netburst. Pentium 4 Williamette maxed out around 2GHz, Northwood tapped out around 3.4GHz, Prescott started burning up around ~4Ghz, Tejas was supposed to be 5Ghz and Nehelm was rumored to be close to 10Ghz. Some engineering samples of socket 775 Tejas made it out, but i think they could only hit about 3.2GHz irrc.

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Gavin Scott
Gavin Scott

You give me the impression that you know your shit so as always I’ll be waiting in anticipation for your vids😁

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Troy Balster
Troy Balster

Only problem I see is the games will be made for console first then ported to PC. Usually that doesn't end well for PC games. The best PC games are designed for PC first.

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Code Zero
Code Zero

@yottaXT If its Zen 2 thats going in to consoles that'll mean the games created for it will be taking full advantage of the chiplet design architecture and the games that come from this will be heavily catered to multiple cores and threads and the infinity Fabric. so in essence there's going to be a shift in the balance of power where amd is gonna gain the lead in gaming performance and productivity but that's only speculation at this moment.

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yottaXT
yottaXT

+Troy Balster Not saying that it will be the case, but consoles used to have different architectures than PC with far less power, nex gen consoles will have Zen architecture with slight tweaks from company to company, i do expect that games could be ported very easily to PC with high specs.

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Troy Balster
Troy Balster

+Code Zero Assuming they can port it properly with UI and other things for PC. Usually most ports you can tell it was made for console.

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Code Zero
Code Zero

we that'll be good for Ryzen PC's since the ps5 and the xbox 2 are using the Ryzen Architecture so Microsoft games should run better on pc's with a Ryzen chip.

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John Martinez
John Martinez

8c/16t 4.5 base 4.9ghz boost 3700x anyone? Why you do me like that AMD? I wanted a 12-16c upgrade on the am4 platform. *weeps*

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hiphop head
hiphop head

+CMDR Nacho Man there were rumors Intel is going to release a 10 core mainstream CPU next year, you really think AMD is going to give away it's historic core count to Intel !? Plus there is a huuuge gap between threadripper line and am4 8vs 32. 12 core is definately coming to Am4 if not with Zen 2 then zen3 for sure. But I believe it's coming with Zen 2

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needabettername
needabettername

+FortuneFed we nothing, even though bulldozer/piledriver was garbage, 4c was just settling, and now software is just surpassing 4c usage, hardware is tremendously ahead of software development. And depending on use case 4c/8t may actually be enough, i skipped this whole generation of newer cpus, as i didn't have the budget for all new parts, upgraded my GPU and can play all the games i enjoy comfortably at 1440p/75hz. Oh and i am currently using a xeon 1232v3 i think? 4790 xeon equivalent in micro atx build (wanted to try micro case), but if i upgraded i would go all out full tower custom water loop, rgb, all that

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CMDR Nacho Man
CMDR Nacho Man

+hiphop head Sources?

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JoeAceJR
JoeAceJR

+FortuneFed In certain applications, yes. League of legends, for example, uses 2 cores, so the bottleneck will pretty much be the CPU's IPC, clock speed, architecture, latency, etc. NOT the cores, at least in league of legends. An fx 4300 would not be any slower than the fx 9590, assuming clockspeeds or power are equal in that title. Likewise, a Ryzen 5 2600 would not be slower by a ryzen 7 2700x, assuming clock speeds are equal. This is true for dual core programs.

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hiphop head
hiphop head

12 core is absolutely coming to Am4

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magottyk
magottyk

What's the point of reference for the 1.25X? it's not all linear.

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đenan Hajrovic
đenan Hajrovic

No intel DGPU in December , Raja did an update

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Ryan K
Ryan K

I hope all Microsofts new games are crap and nobody plays them! Paul you have no idea what MS plans to do with the gaming market once they control it! They want to kill off ALL competition; be it APIs like Vulkan, OS's like Linux and iOS, platforms like steam, and hardware giants like Sony and Nintendo. Microsoft must not be allowed to take over the games market otherwise we will get Games for Windows Live again without anything else to go to when it is (and it will be) GARBAGE!

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Dominic Thomas Hindes
Dominic Thomas Hindes

+Randall Cromer i was look for buy this game Scalebound thank from Microsoft been a bully to the company

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Randall Cromer
Randall Cromer

+Dominic Thomas Hindes I totally agree with you on this subject, Microsoft is the most Anticustmer company in the world today.

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Sevier777
Sevier777

Microsoft will never have complete control, or even a large percentage of control over the gaming market. Independent developers will continue to deliver games and create studios. Microsoft doesn't have any control over this. Their competitors won't go down without a fight either.

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MySSDRocks
MySSDRocks

Don’t talk nonsense

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Xander Treat
Xander Treat

+Ryan K yeah that was my mistake, mistook someone else's comment for yours, but yes I agree on Apple, but trust me Microsoft is not forcing any kind of monopoly and it could be a lot worse

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jamiro grantsaan
jamiro grantsaan

dude. why is your camera never focused?

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Bill Rookard
Bill Rookard

As long as Zen3 is supported by my lowly B350 board... I'm in.

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JoeAceJR
JoeAceJR

With a bios update it will. Zen 3 will come out in 2020 however idk if AM4 will be out by then. ZEN 2 which comes out next year DEFINITELY will work in your B350 motherboard, however, you will need to update the bios and download the proper drivers from your motherboard (duh).

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Darko Kutleša
Darko Kutleša

Well if they make it support ddr4 and ddr5 it might do but b450 vrm...

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callum mackenzie
callum mackenzie

Dude sounds English, but the way he talks with his hands, he must be Italian!

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MatHeartGaming
MatHeartGaming

I'm italian, and as far as I can tell his english accent is very different from ours

Vor 19 Tage
MySSDRocks
MySSDRocks

ctsd623 More cocaine ?..

Vor 19 Tage
ctsd623
ctsd623

He's got serious nasal congestion, somebody get this man Sudafed

Vor 19 Tage
hairypatchboy
hairypatchboy

Yeah. My family always called an Italian with a sprained or broken hand as having a speech impediment.

Vor 20 Tage
Mega Dutcher
Mega Dutcher

I've never heard an Italian say Fwedwippah...

Vor 20 Tage
Ryan K
Ryan K

I predicted CPUs would move onto networked nodes back in 2009. Wish I had wrote it down lol.

Vor 20 Tage
Tim Doonan
Tim Doonan

Ah I see

Vor 15 Tage
Ryan K
Ryan K

+Tim Doonan GPUs are not really put together like that since games are latency sensitive that's why Navi won't be mcm like Zen. The challenge for AMD in the gpu department is to make a mcm design that is invisible to the applications running on it so that badly developed games can't tank performance by not being optimized for the u arch.

Vor 15 Tage
Tim Doonan
Tim Doonan

Isn't that kind of how gpu are put together? If so I think it's a pretty logical step.

Vor 15 Tage
Mark England
Mark England

I hate the term "Discrete GPU" to describe something that can be 11 inches long and 2.7 slots high. Yet integrated graphics are so discrete you cant see it.

Vor 20 Tage
needabettername
needabettername

+Mark England don't feel too dumb, i thought the same until now, used to be called dedicated graphics...

Vor 19 Tage
MySSDRocks
MySSDRocks

Mark England It’s ok man, you wasn’t alone.

Vor 19 Tage
Sapphie
Sapphie

+Mark England oh, I thought you were making a pun at first

Vor 19 Tage
CMDR Nacho Man
CMDR Nacho Man

Wow, thanks!

Vor 19 Tage
Blizzard Wind
Blizzard Wind

+Mark England idk too so it's okay. We learn new things everydat

Vor 20 Tage
Wayne
Wayne

Thanks, good vid. Aching for 7nm lol.

Vor 20 Tage
Matthias Banckaert
Matthias Banckaert

Nvidia will have 7nm gpu by intel releases their gpu. So it wont be a competition for nvidia.

Vor 20 Tage
George Human
George Human

ZEN 7 will reach 5 GHz for sure

Vor 20 Tage
needabettername
needabettername

+Robert Stan and 50% useless... If you think more cores, which will cannabalize TR4 doesnt help for a lot of gamers....does threadripper game better than 2700? Nope. What we need is a class leading 8c/16t. 90%of software (obviously exceptions are to be made, and I'm sure they will be pointed out) barely stresses all 8c/16t cores to 100% Hell, most don't even stress 6c/12t. If you want more cores, get a threadripper, if you want clockspeed, get am4

Vor 19 Tage
B0NES YT
B0NES YT

+Jikman On the contrary as an intel shill Ryzen 7nm is exciting, it was high time intel receives some good thrashing like the old days....it is thanks to Ryzen that intel is cooking up something new after the core architecture...after so many damn years. Still sticking with my 5960X until intel figures out 7nm tho

Vor 20 Tage
Robert Stan
Robert Stan

+George Human More cores later. 16 threads is still very reasonable for a ~300$ CPU.

Vor 20 Tage
George Human
George Human

+Robert Stan Do we need more of them? or maybe more cores?

Vor 20 Tage
George Human
George Human

+konjiki240sx I'd say 4.5 is pretty much real with 4.7 OC but I really doubt about 25+% IPC gain... and I'm really tired of out of ass rumors :D

Vor 20 Tage
soylentgreenb
soylentgreenb

Low budget is why they made good games. They made niche games to an underserved audience. What microsoft is offering them is to try to take their games mass market, and they will be like any dumbed down AAA game.

Vor 20 Tage
N3rdG4m3r
N3rdG4m3r

If Microsoft is buying all those studios, does that mean we are only going to get said games on xbox/windows store.

Vor 20 Tage
A A
A A

N3rdG4m3r noooooo, I’m sure Microsoft is doing it because they just had some spare cash in the back pocket after being criticised for years for not having enough exclusives. Yea why wouldn’t Microsoft want to release to the PS with their new studios, I’m sure Halo will be on PS soon. (Please read as sarcastically as you can)

Vor 20 Tage
adamsrealm
adamsrealm

Seems kinda like Zen 3 will have less performance than we're expecting so AMD are pushing for an *"efficiency"* angle.

Vor 20 Tage
Catalin Nedelescu
Catalin Nedelescu

More efficient means less watts so you should be able to oc higher

Vor 19 Tage
SamuHell782
SamuHell782

Something tells me Zen 3 will taste more like a Zen 2+. "Efficiency" makes System Integrators and Servers happy. Built to work and worry less about cost/performance/maintenance is a smart bet for AMD.

Vor 19 Tage
ctsd623
ctsd623

Based on the EPYC numbers, AMD quoted EPYC as achieving previous generation performance @ 50% power, OR 125% performance at same power as previous gen. So, with overclocking and higher power there's more room for performance. But we don't know what type of memory control layout zen3 will have, so the numbers could be different, Zen probably isn't going to exactly mirror EPYC performance curves

Vor 20 Tage
Psi Storm
Psi Storm

Zen 3 will get DDR5. Even if the 7nm+ won't be a great performance boost, 1500+ MHz more ram speed will be. But i am doubting they have 7nm EUV ready for mass production for Zen3 in 2020. I guess they will bring a Zen2+ in 2020 with an updated DDR5 IO Chip, and Zen 3 later.

Vor 20 Tage
KingOfGorillas
KingOfGorillas

That's not really true, they have the option of targeting higher performance or greater efficiency. They will always pick higher efficiency because that's what the datacentre wants and that's where the "real" money is, that said higher efficiency should mean lower tdp per clock and possibly higher overclock headroom.

Vor 20 Tage
Crashbanksbuysilver
Crashbanksbuysilver

I am probably going to wait till Zen 3 because of DD5 alone. I don't want to be stuck with older tech.

Vor 20 Tage
murffly
murffly

Are you concerned about being bottle-necked by DDR4 somewhere?

Vor 12 Tage
TheDarkToes
TheDarkToes

+AmpEdition ram is typically released on consumer hardware first. What nonsense are you spreading?

Vor 17 Tage
TheDarkToes
TheDarkToes

+needabettername not true

Vor 17 Tage
needabettername
needabettername

By the time you hit buy it now, it is out of date, with technology you have to find a stopgap and decide where you want to settle or wait forever...

Vor 19 Tage
Crashbanksbuysilver
Crashbanksbuysilver

+AmpEdition I've seen articles that show it could be 2020, and LP in 2019.

Vor 19 Tage
StrategyMasterSSF
StrategyMasterSSF

%15 from IPC+%25 from node shrink= %40 total performance gain GGWP Intel

Vor 20 Tage
The future is Unity
The future is Unity

+nhozdien i know, its multiplicative not additive. but the difference is negligible so we didn't bother to be precise, after all its just a prediction. my calculation should have been 1.1 x 1.15 = 1.265. a 26.5% performance increase. StrategyMasterSSF's calculation should have been 1.15 x 1.25 = 1.4375. a 43.75% performance increase.

Vor 19 Tage
Dawn of Mike
Dawn of Mike

As excited as I am about AMDs upcoming cpus.. lets not get ahead of ourselves until they deliver.

Vor 20 Tage
Robert Stan
Robert Stan

That's not how math works, dingbats. nhozien exemplified the proper way.

Vor 20 Tage
nhozdien
nhozdien

You don’t plus the percentage in this case because they are different type of units. 100% * 110% * 125% = 137.5% you should expect 37.5% improvement assuming the chip scale well with clock speed.

Vor 20 Tage
The future is Unity
The future is Unity

That's optimistic. I'd go with 10% IPC and 15% clock speed gain for an overall 25% gains. It would beat 9900K in all segments at lower power draw, its basically already a big win with that performance at the 2700X pricing. If 3800X is a 16 cores CPU then it would really be GGWP.

Vor 20 Tage
Tomasz Wozniak
Tomasz Wozniak

Zen3?! Gimme Zen2, nao! Well, maybe i'll serve myself with Zen+ after all..

Vor 20 Tage
Χρήστος Κώτσαρης
Χρήστος Κώτσαρης

All i want is a powerful APU

Vor 20 Tage
thepro08
thepro08

+B0NES YT any apu is low end..... otherwise theres gpus+cpus....

Vor 19 Tage
thepro08
thepro08

+TechForge Australia if you want a powerful apu buy a xbox x....

Vor 19 Tage
B0NES YT
B0NES YT

+thepro08 That's what I was saying....the Ryzen APUs are great compared to intel iGPUs, but it is far fetched to call them gppd performers. They are low end

Vor 19 Tage
AmpEdition
AmpEdition

Χρήστος Κώτσαρης sounds like an awesome laptop decision!

Vor 19 Tage
Χρήστος Κώτσαρης
Χρήστος Κώτσαρης

+TechForge Australia Samsung is preparing a low cost HBM alternative. It would cost peanuts to put 1-4 gigabytes of that thing as L4 cache/framebuffer on an 7nm apu with 3-4teraflops of performance. Including some potential Navi design improvements like tile based rendering and better memory compression, this would make a relatively cheap 7nm apu able to play 1080p games at very good settings. And it would make financial sense, since gpus are so expensive these days, that this kind of gaming apus could be sold around 200-250 euros, or even 300. I would pay that much, if i knew i wouldn't need to buy a 150-200 euro gpu with it...

Vor 19 Tage
Raven crow
Raven crow

rip shintel

Vor 20 Tage
LazyGeekgamer HD is dead channel
LazyGeekgamer HD is dead channel

I'm excited for 7nm

Vor 20 Tage
Lue
Lue

2950x is already the king, but lets see what 7nm can do :)

Vor 19 Tage
Lue
Lue

the 3950x will most likely be the ultimate king for pro use.(talking about cost-benefit). seems like a great future AMD is bringing to us, they are upgrading all the CPU market to faster computing power, thats awesome. I hope Ryzen 4 or at least Zen 3 can bring us some 12+ cores on the AM4 or the next socket.

Vor 19 Tage
Zachary Stevens
Zachary Stevens

Same I cant wait for the 3950x

Vor 20 Tage
Cloud Navy
Cloud Navy

Take my money

Vor 20 Tage
Sergio A. Silva Lizardo
Sergio A. Silva Lizardo

Notification Squad 😎

Vor 20 Tage

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